In a remarkable recording, Tim Ballard and entrepreneur Ken Krogue describe private conversations with LDS Apostle M. Russell Ballard, recounting prophetic warnings, strategic guidance, and support that helped shape the growth of Operation Underground Railroad and the movement surrounding it

An audio recording obtained by American Crime Journal captures Tim Ballard and entrepreneur Ken Krogue discussing what they describe as prophetic guidance and personal support from LDS Apostle M. Russell Ballard.

During the conversation, Krogue recounts his business background and explains how he became involved with Ballard’s efforts. The two men describe meetings with Elder Ballard, including statements they interpreted as both a warning about the future and a call to action.

According to the recording, Elder Ballard allegedly expressed concern about societal trends and suggested that significant efforts would be required in the coming years. Krogue recalls being told he would play a role in helping guide that process, while Ballard’s future mission was discussed in unusually expansive terms.

The conversation also references dreams, strategic planning sessions, a whiteboard meeting, and the eventual involvement of motivational speaker Tony Robbins.

The recording is notable because it provides a firsthand account of how Ballard and his closest supporters framed their work—not merely as an anti-trafficking organization, but as part of a larger mission that carried religious significance and institutional support.

For years, public debate has centered on the extent of M. Russell Ballard’s involvement with Tim Ballard and Operation Underground Railroad. This recording offers a rare glimpse into how Ballard’s inner circle described that relationship before later public distancing efforts emerged.

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Resources & Further Reading

Human Trafficking Statistics Explained – American Crime Journal |

Ballard Doubles Down on Numbers; O.U.R. in Ukraine – American Crime Journal |

Las Vegas Metropolitan PD Human Trafficking Task Force calls out O.U.R. – American Crime Journal |

From Myth to Meaning: Taking Back the Conversation on Child Trafficking – American Crime Journal |

Her Name Is Delia: The Survivor Behind O.U.R.’s “Liliana” Story – American Crime Journal |

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